government or if you get social security checks, if you get veterans benefits, if your government pace your healthcare, all of that could be at risk if there's not enough money or borrowing authority to pay the bills. >> you mentioned the word extraordinary circumstances. what a nice afraid for what the federal government does. if we hit the debt ceiling that they can find another $200 billion in extraordinary circumstances. what is the real story on extraordinary circumstances? they look under every rock and dime we have set aside? >> eye may amazing you come up with $200 billion but that's essentially what the treasury did back in the spring of 2011 the last time we had this fight. that's what they are doing now because congress is not going to fix this by december 31st. or raise the debt ceiling by december 31st. they will take a number of what they call recurring payments and they take that interest money and reinvest it. they won't do that. they will hold on to the money and spend it on just operating the federal government. that can be costly. it cost about a billion dollars last time to go thro